back surgery again?

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Hi guys ive had back pain for many years now i had 2 lots of surgery in 2007 and 2008 1st time i had a pice of whati wouild call a stong bit of plastic in between discs that didnt work so had l4/l5 fusion the following year.
Ive been suffering pain again since mid 2010 and have been back to my surgon today after putting it off for ages! After having ct and mri scan i was told today that l5/s1 is in need of treatment i saw the scan and cant belive how bent my spine is i have constant hip pain due to this,im just not sure i can go and have surgery again, i have complete faith in my doctor who is great.
any advice would be great.
cheers sara
 
Specific advice hard to give by internet, and not very wise to do so. But there is a world of choice out there, do shop around for other ways to look at the problem. Good luck!
 
What's exactly now with your L5-S1 and how do you know L5-S1 is causing your problems?
 
Dear Sarah.
Reading your post today has filled me with both great sadness and frustration!

Sadness:
I am so very sad that you are still suffering so much, after such a long time, and after your 2 operations. I am also very sad that the new realisation and diagnosis of your present condition, is so poor! Many of us here understand and feel what your going through! I am also sad that you are still not sure how to proceed in future.

Frustration:
I truly believe that your Surgeon, does not deserve your kind words, faith or admiration.
Oh, I'm sure he/she is nice, kind and holds the relevant medical qualifications for his/her role, but, (and i'm very sorry to be so blunt Sarah) I believe that everyone should seriously question, any Surgeon's treatment pathway plan when (within 12 months or so) it goes from prioritising a minimal, low invasive and revesable approach to release you from the hell of your spinal pain, to a 'blunderbus' of a procedure, that is normally a highly invasive, very destructive and is (I believe) an irriversible procedure. In my opinion, It should only be considered as a last resort! (If irriversability is incorrect, I would appricate information from members)

I am not sure if you have just forgotten the name of the device used in you 1st procedure Sarah, or whether it's name was never told to by your Surgeon, in my experience, I found this very common, but I think it would have been something like a Wallace Stablisition Device or the more widely used X-stop. Basically, both are designed to to increase the gap between the vertibrae and thereby decompressing the disc and reducing the risk of nerve impingement by both bone and disc material. They are also designed to reduce the amount of backward extension, thereby reducing the contact between nerve and bone in the dorsal and foraminal areas.
They are both 'stop gap' devices and are meant to be removable, in order to replace them when they fail, wear out 'or' in order to upgrade to newer devices in the future. They are not a 'cure' and dont cure osteoarthritis, disc herniations and so on. Did yours fail or were there other problems?

I appologise again for my forthrightness Sarah, but in the world of back pain, knowledge helps our understanding of our conditions, although I must admit, it does not always gurantee the best clinical outcomes for us suffers. I would respectfully ask you to seek a 'second opinion' before committing to any further procedures! kvdp and Keano (below) both raise good points, you need much more information than you seem to have at present, before making any further decisions or commitments.

Please contiue to read the threads on the HP back problems pages, as some of the answers you seek, may already be posted, and don't forget Sarah, we are all here together!

Best wishes

SPINELF
 
Hi All, I am answering as someone who has specialised in fixing back pain for over 20 years now so I know what I am talking about. L5/ S1 problems normally are caused by a rotated pelvis and L4/ L5 from a tilted pelvis. Both problems required lots of work on lengthening and balancing the leg muscles to correct to position of the pelvis and take the pressure off the spine. Unfortunately surgeons only look at the disc and spine not what is causing the problem and this is why surgery often fails. It is a narrow perspective and if it has failed once already it is probably because no one has worked on your legs and it will likely fail again.
 
I'm with you on the whole 'holistic' approach to causality Steve!

The problem is (as you will see) with most of the members on HP, they can't even get an accurate and complete diagnosis for the symptoms, let alone the causes or the comlex relationships between feet, legs and pelvis.

Are you working in the NHS Steve? If not, where do you practice? If you don't mind me asking!

Best wishes


SPINELF
 
Hi Steve,
I have L5/S1 and am having a discetomy next week. Where can I get theraphy post this to stop the risk of further prolapses?
Any advice much appreciated
thanks
tom
 
Best wishes and the very best of luck with your procedure next week Tom!!

There are a host of therapists (of all kinds) on this forum Tom, so make sure you trawl through 'past posts' with similar subject threads, as well as 'asking the members' for specific questions. I'm sure you'll find what you need here!

Just by the by, do you have a disc bulge (only), or do you have any annulas leakage
and other issue as well?

Kind regards

SPINELF
 
Hi, I come from a rehabilitation background and have found core conditioning to be the most effective remedy for lower back pain.

I wrote the following article on the issue- Lower Back Pain- The core is the cure.

Hope this helps.
 
Hi Alex, Welcome to Healthy Pages

Whilst I absolutely agree that the Core plays a huge part in back pain management I have to add that not all back problems can be "cured " just by strenghtening the core and midsection. I am a Pilates Instructor and had a back problem which required surgery. My surgeon who is at the top of his field advised me that some conditions will never heal and surgery is the only solution. I went with this advice and can honestly say this was the best and only way forward for me. 3 years later and I am at full fitness and teach 20 classes a week, some very high impact.

Whilst Pilates and Core cond play a vital part in helping to prevent back pain and in the rehabilitation of back problems sometimes it is not enough.

You have to look at the whole picture and not just assume that what is needed is core conditioning!!!
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  40. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  41. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  42. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  43. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  44. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  45. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  46. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  47. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: FIONA, KIKI & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body. Kiki is very popular for her great attitude and services. CINDY is slim & incredibly sexy
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: SARAH, SUSAN, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs, with a full set of services to delight you. SUSAN is a small, slim & sexy Latina girl, 5'4" & 116 Lbs, with nice boobs and ass, very versatile services.
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