Getting what you want vs. meeting expectations.

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After reading the post about rimming and reviewing my own personal interest in going to mp's I have decided to try and share some of my experience in both meeting expectations and beyond that getting what I want out of a massage.
My main goal when going to an mp is to have sensual contact with the mpa which may include anything from lfk, dfk, bbbj, hugging, breast play(touching, caressing, sucking, licking, etc.), foot play(massaging, licking, sucking, foot job, etc.), daty, fetish play(for me its feet, pantyhose and encasement but im a freak), and about the only thing im truly not expecting nor wanting is any type of fs.
Now the question is how to realize any of these 'extras' so that expectations are met and possible wanton desires are also realized.
My route to the promised land is through mutual respect and the slow build up of sexual tension by not focusing on the areas that the mpa usually expects that will receive the most attention(i.e. pussy, ass, breasts, lips, etc.)
Because i always go for at least a NR i am usually successful in acheiving my goals by trying to give a better massage than i received, which usually isnt very hard as most mps have no formal training in massage therapy, and my focus is usually the mpa's feet which to my amazement are usually left out of the equation when giving a 'good' massage.
My technique ranges from simply running my finger nails along the bottom of the sole, nibbling on the heel, toe sucking, massaging the achilles tendon, running my teeth along the perimeter of the foot, etc.
I guess my goal when writing this is to find out how other hobbyists treat mpa's, what their expectations are, what their desires include, and most importantly how they acheive their means.
I dont know if my message will be scene as i intend it to be but any response would be appreciated.
 
I try to go into a session expeceting nothing more than a basic massage and release from an MPA.

Anything beyond that is always a welcome surprise and always appreciated.

It's not always the physical actions that makes the session good, but rather how comfortable your MPA is in the room that can make the session better than others.
 
Great concept flyingdgn.... its one I've been saying for years... low expections = better experience the majority of the time.
 
So your question is "What's the secret to getting the most mileage?"

To answer your questions, I treat MPA's with respect, meaning I don't push them with anything they are uncomfortable with. You have to be considerate and treat them like human beings. As for expectations, I go in expecting to have a good time. If mileage comes with it, all the better, but if not, I don't let it ruin a session. Going to see an MPA for the first time with the expectation of getting good mileage usually results in disappointment, unless you know ahead of time what she offers. Giving the MPA a good massage has almost always improved or benefitted me in the session. For some girls, giving them a good massage opens other doors, but for some it does nothing. If you 'click' with the MPA, that alone is a good enough reason to getting a better session.
 
I hate the word mileage but you are correct in your assumptions except i already know how to acheive most of my goals and have tried to explain some of my technique towards that end.
I guess what im really interested in is how other members treat this subject and how they are able (or not able) to find what they are looking for.
I like the idea of low expections because everything that happens above and beyond the basics is seen as a bonus.
However, i personally find meeting higher expectations can be a much more rewarding experience especially when you have to exert yourself towards a satisfying(and hopefully mutually satisfying) end.
 
This is a little hard to explain, so I will make it simple ...

I go in with lowered expectations, when the time comes around for extras I usually tell her that I am okay with doing whatever you are comfortable doing. They almost always smile and I almost always have a great time. Pushing for extras gets you lower mileage, letting her feel comfortable allows for a session to be more rewardable.

It is really about you as soon as you walk in, there are many factors involved as mentioned in many discussions. The better you two get along during the massage mostly through conversation, the better the sessions ends up being.

Of course there are mpa out there that will always have a frame of mind that you will never get around, those may never be repeats.

VBB
 
Actualy, a good foot massage is apreciated by any woman. It's pretty much guarenteed to bring a big smile to any woman's face. Want to impress any woman ya like, buy a jar of good cream and offer to give her a good foot massage. Women who on their feet alot such as flight attendants, or most mpas will greatly appreciate this.

~The Night Runner~
 
If you go in with no expectations except to have a good time with a beautiful woman, then anything else is a bonus...

Certainly many clients tend to be fairly "mechanical" so if you arrive with a positive attitude, wanting to please the MPA she'll respond accordingly...

I like to suck on their toes and kiss their feet too, and the response has always been positive...

NOTE: just remember to ask the MPA to take her shoes off before she jumps on the table. Many seem to leave them on, then you don't get full access to those lovely toes

A couple of times I'd wondered if they'd deliberately left them on coz their feet were ticklish, but as it turned out most guys simply weren't interested so they didn't bother removing their highheels...

If they ask why, just tell thm you have a surprise which always goes over well...

While breast play is fairly standard fair, unfortunately there are no guarantees with regards to DATY, LK, DFK etc... The MPA may save that for regular clients, or it may not be on the menu at all...

Quite frankly I don't see MPA's for mileage. I see them coz I enjoy their company, and the release is an added bonus...

When I'm looking for REAL hot and heavy action with guaranteed results I call a FS escort....
 
Agree with consensus that minimal, reasonable expectations going in is the only safe way. Generally, repeats with MPA and mileage gets better. I genuinely love and adore every square millimeter of the female body, so enjoy giving a reasonably thorough massage, and have been rewarded. I see it as fun, sensual, and I try and learn things, what seems to work, etc. Never tried the feet thingy though. Going to next time.

But, in the getting what you want vs. expectations - I've noticed that first time with an MPA, even though I ask for NR, she'll almost never do it, even when I establish myself as a regular, just not yet with her. N yes, I've never been refused the R, she just never offers to switch, it's just the old flip over.
 
...and then the next thing you know, you're clicking with her like you are long-lost lovers. It's an incredible GFE session and you can't wait unitl you see her next. Next thing you know, you are breaking all the rules with her which may even lead to fs.
 
Want better mileage, go in state "I am Sheik from massageplanet.net" and your wish will be granted.
 
Expecting milage to be high with an MPA you've never seen before can lead to a serious let down.... than again you could be surpised in the most delightfull way.... who can say??? Only one way to find out and that is to go and see for yourself!!!!
 
That's how it was with Paige@IT, and now Faith at HFH...went in expecting just the basic....came out with that happy, surprised grin on my face...every now and then GOD smiles down on you!!
 
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    ๐Ÿ’•โฃ4386 Sheppard Avenue east ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’ฅ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’˜Monday, ๐Ÿ’—โฃ๐Ÿ’‹ Cici, ๐Ÿ’—tall and slim, nice personality, pretty, very good pressure point treatment and over the top finish technique..๐Ÿ’‹โฃ Natalia, โคa full body Spanish lady, curvy, beautiful, awesome treatment and memorable finish ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’‹โ€ŠEva, ๐Ÿ’–curvy, beautiful, awesome treatment and memorable finish . ๐Ÿ’ž Jessica,๐Ÿ’‹ slim, and sexy body, very pretty. High energy session ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿ”‹416 297-7488๐Ÿ”‹
  39. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  40. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. JESSICA is from Hong Kong, super busty D Cup, 5'2", 109 Lbs, curvy, soft white skin
  41. lemon_tree:
    ๐Ÿ’›๐Ÿ’•a discreet entrance to 4155 Sheppard Avenue east, unit 201๐Ÿ’—โฃ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’–Monday, ๐Ÿ’ž๐Ÿ’‹ Carmen,๐Ÿ’‹ (Candy) โฃbeautiful, dark hair to shoulder, tall and slim but busty, and does very relaxing treatment with over the top finish. *Also goes by Lily. ๐Ÿ’‹โฃ๐Ÿ“ž647 348-2899๐Ÿ“ž
  42. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (11AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  43. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  44. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ ROXY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services... Cindy
  46. EMSpa_schedule:
    ๐ŸŒนWe're waiting for you!๐ŸŒน Today (Monday), our amazing attendants are Ivy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Lucy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿ˜˜, Mia ๐Ÿค— and Sophie ๐Ÿคฉ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, LINDA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! LINDA is a sweet Vietnamese honey with great skills. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with
  48. Red_Pearl_Spa:
    โค๐Ÿ’‹4385 Sheppard Avenue east, unit 5๐Ÿ”บ๏ธ๐Ÿ’‹โฃ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ”ดMonday, ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’‹ Tammy, โฃfull body treatment by an amazing attendant. good overall treatment. ๐Ÿ’‹โฃ โ˜Ž๏ธ 647 352-1588โ˜Ž๏ธ
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, ELLA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and very pleasing
  50. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
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