Constant lower back pain - any ideas? :(

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Please help, I'm new to these forums.
I have suffered from low back pain for approx 7 years, since I was pregnant with my son when I suffered from DSP and was on crutches. I largely got over all of this but still had low back pain afterwards. I have put my low back pain down to teaching 14 years in Nursery and sitting on tiny chairs, lifting heavy bikes out of sheds, constantly stooping etc.
I have always just put up with it, painful at times but never too major.
However, the past six months in particular the pain has increased hugely. I am woken up at night in agony. I turn over slowly - this is also painful - and settle into a new position only for that to hurt after a while too. I can't stand still for longer than 5 minutes without pain increasing. Sitting eases the pain a little. The pain is lower back and very very slightly left. I don't have leg pain although sometimes pins and needles in my left foot. I can't put weight on my left foot, have to lean on table for support if I attempt to put socks on whilst standing. If I bend slightly backward or to the right side the pain is really bad. My left ribs also ache and feel painful.
My doctor has referred me for physio but I was really hoping for an xray or scan. Would it be worth me paying for one?! Just can't imagine what exercises the physio would give me that wouldn't be agony!
I'm only 36, really need my back for working a bit longer.
Unsure if linked - swollen knees, pain in hand joints when writing, plantar fibroma on foot.
Thanks xx
 
Hi Sarahjane,

Welcome to HP!

Your condition sounds really uncomfortable for you.

It is not a good idea to diagnose on here but reading your symptoms I would be recommending that you go and see a Remedial massage therapist who is experienced and prepared to treat the groin area, as often the painful areas you are describing are actually referred pain caused by scar tissue and/or trapped nerves from the groin/pelvis.

It is quite a painful area to receive treatment for but the relief afterwards is worth every second!! I know as my OH is a RMT and I have been there!

Hope this helps.
 
Hiya sarahjane!!

Welcome to Healthy Pages.

I am so sorry to see your problems.

Yes, it would be very well worth paying for a private MRI scan and written report. Also go for a set of X-ray plates and those related written reports as well. Prices vary from around ยฃ200 to ยฃ800, depending on how โ€˜up to dateโ€™ and โ€˜preciseโ€™ the scanners are. If you can find an MRI scanner that takes your images while you are standing up (dynamic loading) so much the better!
If you have private insurance, you may well be covered for this.

You will need your GP to request these scans, and the main images and written reports will be sent directly back to him/her, but donโ€™t forget, you can privately purchase your own copies of everything! (Around ยฃ10 - ยฃ20) Make sure you do this, if you can afford to, it will prove worth while in the long run.

I would suggest that you attend a scanning clinic, as far away from your hospitals โ€˜trust areaโ€™ as is physically practical, because this would greatly limit โ€˜interpretational biasโ€™ by your NHS Consultant. What I mean by this is, that NHS scans are very often interpreted by NHS Consultants who have โ€˜one eyeโ€™ on the โ€˜costโ€™ element, and are (in my experience) prepared to leave out factual information, because this information may require very expensive treatments. Also, I asked my GP to request a full body MRI scan, in order to check a very painful area in my โ€˜Cโ€™ spine, as well as my long standing lumber problems, which he did. But without prior notification, the Consultant Radiographer, only allowed a lumber scan, this was to save money, no other reason was offered to me.

Until your Consultants have full MRI and X-ray images and reports, they should not be recommending any physiotherapy at all. It could cause more problems than the worth of it!
Donโ€™t be bullied in to accepting treatments without these images!

Search the web for private scan clinics including SPIRES, BUPA, BMI, LOADSTONE etc;

Good luck and best wishes.

SPINELF
 
Poor you. Go with the physio, and make sure you tell him/her about hte other symptoms in your hands and feet etc, and mention that you are concerned that your gp has not recommended a scan. Obviously we can't diagnose here, but you should look at the possibility of links. Physio may then be able to refer you back to the gp.


Really good tip about getting scans out of your PCT area - thanks Spinelf!

Good luck, and please do keep us all posted with your progress.

love and light, and healing thoughts
 
Hey sarahjane1975, if I was you I would see the physio. The physio probably wouldn't give you exercises if they were going to be painful and as an alternative they can do particular treatments that may help too. At the physio session Iโ€™d ask them the question about Xrays and MRI scans as they will be able to provide a more informed decision.
 
(Quote) Yes, it would be very well worth paying for a private MRI scan and written report. Also go for a set of X-ray plates and those related written reports as well. Prices vary from around ยฃ200 to ยฃ800, depending on how โ€˜up to dateโ€™ and โ€˜preciseโ€™ the scanners are. If you can find an MRI scanner that takes your images while you are standing up (dynamic loading) so much the better! If you have private insurance, you may well be covered for this. (END QUOTE)



I have found a clinic that offers a dynamic, standing up and load bearing open' MRI scanner machine. This is advertised as being the only one in England. However, they are opening a 'Leeds' branch soon, to service the North of England!

It is the London upright MRI centre www.uprightmri.co.uk.

Their MRI prices from July 2011 will be:
1 spine level ยฃ750
2 spine levels ยฃ1,050
Whole spine ยฃ1,300

Take a look, see what you think!

SPINELF
 
I'm sorry to hear about your problem. Having a child has a huge stretching effect on the lower abdominal muscles which have to be strengthened soon after birth if low back pain is going to be prevented. These are the core stabilisers and when they function correctly take the pressure of the body from off of the spine.

Good Luck!
 
If standing for more than 5 minutes is a problem, I'd be looking at psoas and iliacus. I nearly always look at these first with lower back pain, very often involved. Is the curve in your lower back quite exaggerated? I'd also be looking at glute medius too, along with many other things, but, there is a good starting point IMO.

HTH

Kevin
 
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    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Terrific Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Cici, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Julia & New 34D Jasmineโ€”โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits
  37. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower .body scrub ๐Ÿ˜˜Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  38. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–sexy hot busty Singapore ๐ŸŒน Indian ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนkorean girls๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนworking ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—at markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  39. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: JESSICA is from Hong Kong, super busty D Cup, 5'2", 109 Lbs, curvy, soft white cream skin, pretty face, can bbbj cim dfk 69 cof sf2, available all services, excellent treatment. KITTY is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  40. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (9PM), ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  41. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ฒ๐Ÿ‡พ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH (2AM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  42. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (12PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (2PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  43. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  44. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: :wonderspa: โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10,Ensuit shower available ๐ŸŒน๐Ÿ”ฅbeautiful young Jessica sexy body,deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone๐Ÿ…sexy face sunny is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch ๐ŸŒนbeautiful long hair younge new lily Q,friendly,amazing massage,happy the end,really popular,must tryโค๏ธ
  45. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  46. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธCindy๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธNadia๐ŸŒธAnna Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  47. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธKelly๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธValentinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  48. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, MIA, SARA, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile.
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