Constant lower back pain - any ideas? :(

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Please help, I'm new to these forums.
I have suffered from low back pain for approx 7 years, since I was pregnant with my son when I suffered from DSP and was on crutches. I largely got over all of this but still had low back pain afterwards. I have put my low back pain down to teaching 14 years in Nursery and sitting on tiny chairs, lifting heavy bikes out of sheds, constantly stooping etc.
I have always just put up with it, painful at times but never too major.
However, the past six months in particular the pain has increased hugely. I am woken up at night in agony. I turn over slowly - this is also painful - and settle into a new position only for that to hurt after a while too. I can't stand still for longer than 5 minutes without pain increasing. Sitting eases the pain a little. The pain is lower back and very very slightly left. I don't have leg pain although sometimes pins and needles in my left foot. I can't put weight on my left foot, have to lean on table for support if I attempt to put socks on whilst standing. If I bend slightly backward or to the right side the pain is really bad. My left ribs also ache and feel painful.
My doctor has referred me for physio but I was really hoping for an xray or scan. Would it be worth me paying for one?! Just can't imagine what exercises the physio would give me that wouldn't be agony!
I'm only 36, really need my back for working a bit longer.
Unsure if linked - swollen knees, pain in hand joints when writing, plantar fibroma on foot.
Thanks xx
 
Hi Sarahjane,

Welcome to HP!

Your condition sounds really uncomfortable for you.

It is not a good idea to diagnose on here but reading your symptoms I would be recommending that you go and see a Remedial massage therapist who is experienced and prepared to treat the groin area, as often the painful areas you are describing are actually referred pain caused by scar tissue and/or trapped nerves from the groin/pelvis.

It is quite a painful area to receive treatment for but the relief afterwards is worth every second!! I know as my OH is a RMT and I have been there!

Hope this helps.
 
Hiya sarahjane!!

Welcome to Healthy Pages.

I am so sorry to see your problems.

Yes, it would be very well worth paying for a private MRI scan and written report. Also go for a set of X-ray plates and those related written reports as well. Prices vary from around ยฃ200 to ยฃ800, depending on how โ€˜up to dateโ€™ and โ€˜preciseโ€™ the scanners are. If you can find an MRI scanner that takes your images while you are standing up (dynamic loading) so much the better!
If you have private insurance, you may well be covered for this.

You will need your GP to request these scans, and the main images and written reports will be sent directly back to him/her, but donโ€™t forget, you can privately purchase your own copies of everything! (Around ยฃ10 - ยฃ20) Make sure you do this, if you can afford to, it will prove worth while in the long run.

I would suggest that you attend a scanning clinic, as far away from your hospitals โ€˜trust areaโ€™ as is physically practical, because this would greatly limit โ€˜interpretational biasโ€™ by your NHS Consultant. What I mean by this is, that NHS scans are very often interpreted by NHS Consultants who have โ€˜one eyeโ€™ on the โ€˜costโ€™ element, and are (in my experience) prepared to leave out factual information, because this information may require very expensive treatments. Also, I asked my GP to request a full body MRI scan, in order to check a very painful area in my โ€˜Cโ€™ spine, as well as my long standing lumber problems, which he did. But without prior notification, the Consultant Radiographer, only allowed a lumber scan, this was to save money, no other reason was offered to me.

Until your Consultants have full MRI and X-ray images and reports, they should not be recommending any physiotherapy at all. It could cause more problems than the worth of it!
Donโ€™t be bullied in to accepting treatments without these images!

Search the web for private scan clinics including SPIRES, BUPA, BMI, LOADSTONE etc;

Good luck and best wishes.

SPINELF
 
Poor you. Go with the physio, and make sure you tell him/her about hte other symptoms in your hands and feet etc, and mention that you are concerned that your gp has not recommended a scan. Obviously we can't diagnose here, but you should look at the possibility of links. Physio may then be able to refer you back to the gp.


Really good tip about getting scans out of your PCT area - thanks Spinelf!

Good luck, and please do keep us all posted with your progress.

love and light, and healing thoughts
 
Hey sarahjane1975, if I was you I would see the physio. The physio probably wouldn't give you exercises if they were going to be painful and as an alternative they can do particular treatments that may help too. At the physio session Iโ€™d ask them the question about Xrays and MRI scans as they will be able to provide a more informed decision.
 
(Quote) Yes, it would be very well worth paying for a private MRI scan and written report. Also go for a set of X-ray plates and those related written reports as well. Prices vary from around ยฃ200 to ยฃ800, depending on how โ€˜up to dateโ€™ and โ€˜preciseโ€™ the scanners are. If you can find an MRI scanner that takes your images while you are standing up (dynamic loading) so much the better! If you have private insurance, you may well be covered for this. (END QUOTE)



I have found a clinic that offers a dynamic, standing up and load bearing open' MRI scanner machine. This is advertised as being the only one in England. However, they are opening a 'Leeds' branch soon, to service the North of England!

It is the London upright MRI centre www.uprightmri.co.uk.

Their MRI prices from July 2011 will be:
1 spine level ยฃ750
2 spine levels ยฃ1,050
Whole spine ยฃ1,300

Take a look, see what you think!

SPINELF
 
I'm sorry to hear about your problem. Having a child has a huge stretching effect on the lower abdominal muscles which have to be strengthened soon after birth if low back pain is going to be prevented. These are the core stabilisers and when they function correctly take the pressure of the body from off of the spine.

Good Luck!
 
If standing for more than 5 minutes is a problem, I'd be looking at psoas and iliacus. I nearly always look at these first with lower back pain, very often involved. Is the curve in your lower back quite exaggerated? I'd also be looking at glute medius too, along with many other things, but, there is a good starting point IMO.

HTH

Kevin
 
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    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (2PM), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ SONIA (8PM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JESSIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  42. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  43. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ NANCY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  44. SpringGreen.:
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  45. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  46. AliceSpa:
    3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CLOUDIA (12pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. SKY (10:30am-9pm): is Part time girl from Indonesia, petite 5'2", B Cup, 100 Lbs, long black hair, new to the biz.Young, fresh/cute, pretty, submissive, slim tiny waist, fair skin. bbbj
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Yumi & Cindy. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy & slim beauty, can do bbbj cim, excellent services...
  48. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, FIONA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. CINDY is slim
  49. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, CHRISTINA, MIA, TIFFANY & VIVI. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open mind
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and flirty Ivy 36DD with curly body 30โ€™s open mind, young sweet popular Michelle 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
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